If they were 100% against it but felt they had no choice but to design/sign it, then they simply have no morals/ethics/backbone. (This statement also doesn't specify what type of HARD structure. They also recently dug the mother of all holes in the sand and put huge foundations down ( well over a years work) for what I thought was further erosion work but turn out to be a access ramp for beach who cant step down onto the beach. The only feasible way forward without wasting any more council and tax payers money to protect the properties in question is to acquire the properties at any cost and return them to a naturalised stated. If he is an expert and this is what he designed, then I shudder to even imagine what the non-expert coastal engineers would design. You may call me names, but the facts still stand. Will it make Carties better or will kooks just ride into the wall even more. @Tango Among many objectives, it outlines how people living in threatened property might defend their homes. However, while they prevent further shoreline erosion, they do not deal with the causes of erosion (French, 2001). Surfers, sun bathers and swimmers. Ben, yes there are submarine cables and the protection zone is there to prevent damage to the cables, but I don't think that would preclude construction of reefs, it just means that any proposed reef design/construction would have to be in consultation with the cable authorities. Thanks Craig aod if you are THE Jody P, yes you are a ledge. Here's the Maritime Safety Queensland website link and here's what appears to be the numerical modelling report upon which a lot of decision-making on the issue is based. When deciding to spend rate payer dollars, on what metric do they use without using the big IF ? The most notable benefit of sea walls is that they provide excellent protection against coastal erosion and flooding. We had made a big mistake that would become bigger. They have just invested in an asset that requires 60 years of maintenance. Would be interesting to see the state of that beach on the north side of breakwall now, This was the same dune system a few years before all these easterlies. Apologies for misreading you. A quick trip Todos Santos way during a belting nor'west swell. There's no sense at all in building something like this from an engineering perspective. So whats your thoughts about using tax payers $'s to buy back endangered properties from natural erosion and as I asked Zen.are there any solutions other than just moving people property back from the Coast? Cheers for the knowledge Craig. RFS DU SOL's new album cover to Surrender is on point.. Collaroy sea wall 1.8 mts higher than the Berlin Wall https://i.imgur.com/DuHM6zJ.gifv For those who may not know, the private land issue is complicated in NSW in particular (less so in other states) by the existence of ambulatory land boundaries which are set at various levels of the tide eg mean high water. What sort of idiots approved this shit? Collaroy Park Estate Narrabeen: Sea View Pde, Beach Rd, Collaroy Ave, Main Pittwater Rd, Govt. I guess that makes offshore options quite limited, So I'm a little confused as to why there are hardly any real solutions put forward to deal with coastal erosion in 2021, despite our huge body of scientific knowledge regarding the issue. The root cause is building on the foredune. https://www.celeria.org/ It didn't last long and within 12 hours the sand that was built up against the near finished first wall was 2/3rds washed away. Probably not council's fault then, happy to blame the owners! The process is cyclical, however short-sighted development upon the foredune, built during times of a wide beach profile, impedes the system. Big walls like this one are getting smashed and although for the most part they are still there, everything behind them is going. As I understand it, governments have been reluctant to purchase vulnerable properties because there will be so many of them and the public purse could never afford it. Only thing that would be better if they made a foot path on top of it so wheel chair bandits and a like get to use the cost line as well, "Or boarding a jumbo jet to go for a surf and buy the latest board all things responsible for the needing of the wall in the first place.". I have the mhl report but cannot find the link again. Your browser has JavaScript disabled. The question is why did the owners go for such an unattractive solution that by all appearances seems to have blocked their beach access. The GCCC's Palm Beach Qld solution which uses an offshore reef/sand nourishment/seawall buried in the dune is the ONLY solution for coastal erosion that protects both beachfront private property and public property ie the beach, without any structures being visible on the beach. Fight the good fight mate. increases social amenity". Not to mention the many brutalist houses dotting its once beautiful headlands. Nobody there is in a position to offer 2-3 times market value. Locate courts, tribunals and offices. This is a big money problem way beyond the scope of local councils. Here's the full video with audio. Hey guys I need to write an informative paper based on remedial measures used to protect infrastructure against erosion. I get informed about a proposed bike lane two suburbs away, questions an aghast Donohoe, but I hear nothing about construction abutting a nearby public beach?, Gordon was equally puzzled: I guess people become frustrated with the bureaucratic process and find ways of not involving the public. The sheer number of cables there suggests to me that an offshore reef proposal would be unsuccesful. When a hard structure is introduced to the equation we see an increase in reflective energy andturbulence, slowing the accretion of sandwhile also acceleratingerosion in storm conditions. If no acquisition or buyback is made, then good luck to the owners trying to sell these properties. On top of this they have places sand band grounds out perpendicular to the sandunes. Highly unlikely! This isn't a new issue, as has been mentioned in the article above, and the longer we ignore the elephant in the room the harder it will become to resolve. It will still be a bargain now compared to 60 years from now if they do the same. I think the wall is actually a good warning of exactly what governments mean by "adaptation and mitigation"..expensive projects for the construction industry rather than sound ecological management. If the council are desperate to get a liability off their books then they have totally screwed it. I will check with him and report back. Existing market value must take into account that houses have erosion problems. https://lighthouse.mq.edu.au/article/september-2021/Living-Seawalls-in-g 5 min [P] Call of the Wild skinny dip at yer local Sea-Walljust doing wot comes natural! In that regard it seems to have achieved its design objectives very nicely, and the sacrificing of the public beach (and public access/amenity) in front of it is just 'collateral damage'. However, the residents focused primarily on the protest against the sea wall while not suggesting any alternate solutions to solve the coastal erosion, and therefore, failing the 3rd criteria. RAW footage from this week's extra-large swell at Peahi. Seawall construction isn't mentioned. Harmer and husband have been protesting for 14 years to stop surf barrier She led 2002 lobby against $12 million wall proposed by Warringah council A monster Sydney storm wiped out properties. as my old mate hutch likes to say. Will be ironic if they have to pull it down for not meeting code on the steps. But obviously no owners want to give up tax free capital gains.. dunno has to be a solution that doesnt destroy the beach like collaroy or completely crush home owners, they arent all pricks. The 18-year-old scored a near-perfect 9.50 in the Final, held at Seaside Reef in Encinitas, California. I hope this Collaroy wall hasn't set a precedent. [ask GaryG] 2 metre swell at 13 seconds combining with a 1.8 metre high tide at nearly 9am should provide some good viewing this morning. Yulex geta second chance at a first impression, and this time they makeit count. We took the easy way, down towards the ocean and along on the back of the dune. Shows what not to do, i mean it'd have some value in an inlet or lake subject to openings to the ocean in storm surge/high tides. Northern beaches residents have been worried about how their beloved beach would fare when large swells and high tides hit the controversial Collaroy seawall. https://www.9news.com.au/national/weather-nsw-sydney-collaroy-surfer-pul Sydney 'Living' Seawalls Where I live though the beach has no erosion issues but the council is trying curtail landowners rights significantly due to potential sea level rises combined with 1 in 100 year storms etc. This sets a very dangerous precedent for the rest of NSW. Those days are gone, but we can make the future even better IF we use our brains like you say! The second DA is now here. I don't disagree with most of that. https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/Policy-and-Legislation/Coastal-and-marin "The scheme operates along the entire NSW coastal zone except for the Greater Sydney metropolitan area, identified as between Broken Bay (Central Coast) and the Minnamurra River (south of Shellharbour).". "I really like living here deep in the bush, close to nature. when roads and buildings are about to fall into the sea. Not sure if that happened though. To my way of thinking, and with a working understanding of government process, the real issue is the approval process. Now digging up the facts of this case would prove fascinatingthe applicant, the judges, the arguments, the ruling etc one if there is precedent for seeking compensation for judicial rulings made in error. Guess where that temporary rock wall has ended up! There are plenty of other spots along the coast vulnerable to rising seas and more intense storms but Collaroy is one of the most difficult to address. As hostile native rescue party moves in for the killOh the Humanityreads Humilityreads Kook! Who could forget the MOLE building or the spoil from the North Head Sewage Works tipped over the cliff? I am actually shocked the collaroy houses in particular have gone up in value - i wouldnt be able to sleep at night living there! Surf Breaks Inc. Coming to a beach near you ! An "Engineer/s" designed this monstrosity and other "Engineers" approved it. Florida is an example. We all know there is significant increases in sea level rise..are we setting a precedent that if your coastal property succumbs to coastal erosion, you should be financially compensated? It's propped up by the NSW and local governments way beyond the importance or value of that stretch of private land. Get access to long-range forecasts, hourly graphs and ad-free webcams. Seawall construction isnt mentioned. GCCC's approach protects both private property and public beach amenity without any visible structures on the beach. That's a form of speculation I believe. The thing is, the existing site was fine except a motorway was about to be built straight through it. Yep totally agree. Bite the bullet and start buying the properties back and bulldozing them. The GOR situation is far more complicated than Willi's well-intentioned advice makes out. I saw the construction going in, says Donohoe of seeing the area cordoned off earlier this year, and thought they were building rock revetments. 3) How much has Council spent on legal fees defending Land & Environment Court appeals related to seawalls since the 2016 storm? Plop! Its brutalist engineering, says Gordon frankly. We have summarised some key facts about the first of the Collaroy owners' seawalls. And since there's been no budget allocated for future buy backs. This process must require wind over thousands of years but people and waves stomping over dunes seems like any dune system near a popular town once destroyed wont come back? nothings going to stop him on his daily dip. The 18-year-old scored a near-perfect 9.50 in the Final, held at Seaside Reef in Encinitas, California. No-one wants to see visible structures built along the beachfront. It's good to see some enlightened input from Brendan and Angus, both of whom have extensive experience in coastal management from planning and engineering backgrounds. as the article states coastal erosion has been known since the 20s in that area and has been studied meticulously ever since. Looking at that DA via Stu's link, it must have taken a considerable, possibly illegal, effort to keep that out of the hands of those community members with a long record of interest in the matter. Shop unique custom made Canvas Prints, Framed Prints, Posters, Tapestries, and more. The seven metres protruding above sea level is vertical, even going beyond vertical for the final metre to prevent wave overtopping. But, they just persist time and time again. The road is the public asset to be protected yes linked to their actions - but if it was really only just about PW road then surely a more cost effective way would have been to introduce less expensive and arguably more effective measures as I understand earlier reports have indicated including reveg and rock? I think we have already seen 19 cm of sea level rise on the east coast - and at least up here it hasnt translated to any significant/extended erosion issues. There are some fed govt areas that listen to this thinking. This is the only plausible outcome from the hard seawall construction and the engineers would have known this. OMG!!! A development application (DA) before Northern Beaches Council would see two additional sections of vertical wall built 50 and 30 metres in length straddling the South Narrabeen Surf Club. I wonder whats worse this concrete monstrsity or the digital identity certifcate which is about to be become a reality unless you put some energy into being another voice presenting a social inclusivity rather than If there is an identity card, then people in authority will want to put it to use.What is at stake is nothing less than the nature of our society and the power and authority of the state over the individual. Making it deeper? Seawalls have the inevitable effect of reflecting and concentrating wave energy and accelerating erosion. I am working on a gipa application to try and find out what community consultation they did for the second DA. It would be fascinating to see the NSW Cabinet documents which advocated for this approach. >>How can you say there is no evidence unless you have the facts to prove it? This is not a defence of the structure or the owners, just recognition that the protection of the main north south artery on the northern beaches was a factor. Our timber guide wall formwork is not only reusable and 100% recyclable, it also prevents dangerous polystyrene fragments from entering the ecosystem. Absolutely spot on, Craig. We all have valuable opinions, but they need to be separated from facts at all times, especially when it comes to Journalism. BB who is getting the sand which has gone from here? This has cut into the base of the dunes below the surf club. and the sick irony of the beach access sign detailing the seawall works with all "enquires to be made This is where I live. There's been a lot written about the challenges of the various adaptation options, including the purchase of private lands. It may not happen in my lifetime [fingers-crosssed] but it's a real issue when thinking about your children who eventually inherit your home. Old dude making a dash for it, budgie smugglers and a cricket cap. Sea level rise equation is based on the Bruun Rule to ascertain erosion in open coastal areas like Collaroy. The properties were bought in good faith, said one local who wished to remain anonymous, and the owners must feel an obligation for the authorities to protect them, but a seawall is last century thinking.. Dates announced for Spencer Frost and Guy Williment's film shot in Russia's far east. property owners in Collaroy have seen the value of their asset increase by around 20-30% in the last 12 months alone. Thanks Lilas, totally get where you're coming from and taken on board. A few years on when I visited I suggested a stroll along the cliffs at the estuary and they replied that its to dangerous now as theres been heaps of erosion for some reason. Death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. Premium ad-free surfcams, dawn surf reports, and more had been lodged 18 months earlier in July 2018, http://www.irjes.com/Papers/vol6-issue10/F61012431.pdf. From deep state secret spot to modern media darling, what lessons can we learn from Cape Solander's evolution? That's appalling if it's the case, BB. The UNSW Centre is called the Water Research Laboratory. You got to have demand/competition in order for a buyback to increase value of supply. The Act was introduced by Rob Stokes, the NSW Minister for Planning and member for Pittwater. Until then the owners can continue to enjoy their delightful seashore experience. But several of those areas experiencing recession are linked to important infrastructure that the authorities want to protect - depending on were you are, the GOR also houses telecoms, sewerage and other infrastructure. Good balanced post tango. The devil is in the detail and the more we understand the science behind it the better. Bean counters at the local council know this too. The beginnings of a huge $25 million concrete wall in Collaroy on Sydney's Northern Beaches. 'This Pristine Beach Is One of Japans Last. Im worried they will put one of these in at a beachie around here as the carpark and rd are imminent to be taken by the ocean and Im sure that will dramatically change the profile of that beach. Construction costs are 80% homeowner funded. I looked at the Bruun rule - i think it was roughly 10cm sea level rise = 1metre of beach vanishes? Good point, Lilas, but I think the issues around hard structures and beach environments have been established for so long and are so well known in the coastal management field that it's taken as read. It's going to be interesting to see how it holds up after this weekend/early next week with another round of resonably solid E/NE cyclone swell hitswho's going down to take more photos and show the aftermath?!! For example, during sunny conditions in Collaroy beach, constructive waves transport eroded sediments from cliffs and headlands to build up the beach. https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/01/28/world/28israel6/28israel6-sup Sea-change hostage negotiations at Hellhole of the Pacific Willi, how would easterlies impact the Great Ocean Road coast? The state government and council are together tipping in 20 per cent of the costs for the construction of a wall stretching from Collaroy to South Narrabeen after heavy surf and powerful storms . "We have the Tools and imagination" It makes perfect sense doesn't it, stop/dissipate the energy before it has the chance to have an impact. The Northern Beaches took a massive hit by big surf and a king tide . 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